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Civility Lab 4

Cain - on Piers Morgan said the government has no place in making decisions about abortion but later said he's anti-choice and anti-birth control. He also said Uzbekistan is small and insignificant! He couldn't even pronouce it. Romney - wow. Pro 2nd amendment but also pro control. Wonder what they'll say tomorrow.

By the way, I can repost that message with out the astericked word. It was not intended to be a bad word and can be interpreted many ways which is the reason I put it in astericks. Thus: For the life of me, I cannot understand the whole "me first" attitude and "claim to fame" concerning the state primaries. All states eventually must have their primaries (or caucuses, depending on the state). The [fighting] matches that some states get into is absolutely ridiculous and, considering the state of the economy right now, a waste of money and resources. Enough is enough. Right now, leave things the way they are.

Most schools are publicly operated. Most mining operations (except the big ones in Chile) are operated by private companies. In this proposed consolidation effort which private company do you nominate to operate the mines currently owned by other private companies?

It is time to vote against any incumbent on the City Council, they have proven their incompetence over and over again. Shirley Scott is as corrupt as they come and as incompetent as well. She doesn't deserve being re-elected. Also, I will Cunningham is just as bad with the most recent 911 fiasco! I'll vote for any other individual!

Mediate=try and con your way out of doing the right thing.

Good for McDonalds. Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Richad U says Personally, I don't really care what sentences the ADS redacted. Robinson is editorializing FACTS. Which of the FACTS do you believe is actually false?

They have weird names for lots of things. Like: If they call it tourist season how come we can't shoot them?

"Dark clouds for Dems." Yes. Excelllent. Here's two more words for 'em: You're fired!

If all the bids were too high do we finally get to shut this project down?

Looks like the Obamunist Regime is going to push their "health care" destruction bill through the Senate on reconciliation. I say, go for it That will be the end of the regime and the Democrat party.

I've seen Iraqi and Afghan war veterans in those crowds. As well as normal next-door neighbor type Americans. And you're calling them "flea-baggers?" I guess if you watch Fox News, you'd get that impression. Besides, didn't you know that protesting is as American as apple pie and motherhood?

The headline hints of a more cynical motivation not at all in keeping with the actual story line. And I thought the use of "target, "targeted", and/or "targeting" was no longer appropriate civil discourse.

I'll bet that Spain is very happy that the US government is spending billions with their companies. That should help to stimulate Spain's economy.

They will cheer the guys they like from the safety of their keyboards. Such spine!! We live in very dangerous times where people wrap themselves in the constitution then wipe their rear end with it when it comes to people they disagree with. The exact same people that opposed the La Raza disrupters at the school board meetings supported that kook at the city council meetings. And visa versa. The tea party had a open carry protest that involved direct law breaking outside Washington DC in a federal park. Did the tea party get permits for all of those spontaneous protests in 2010? I don't think so.

If you haven't seen the latest on the council's confusion: http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/Occupy-Tucson-protesters-seek-help-from-council-over-citations-132172128.html

Leonard, I can't believe they pay you to write your nonsense. You never cease to sound like a whining baby. At least you are consistent.

You wouldn't believe a reporter anyway. Why don't YOU go down instead of asking someone else to do it for you. I bet YOU like to rail about handouts!!

Van H. - There was one post that mentioned the bus drivers in passing. No one commented on the management company (PTM) other than the fact that the contract should be bid as it has in the past. Both of these points have nothing to do with the bidding issue. No one was "..using the management company and the bus drivers as scapegoats."

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Tricia, It is initiatives and referendums! All are Props on the the ballot. If you want to do away with initiatives, you zshould start your own to change the AZ constitution.

"We can't win in 2010 if all we're doing is celebrating the election of 2008," said Buckley, who is also vice chairman of the DNC. "We haven't gotten out the message of this administration's successes." Can't wait to see that list... Bwahahaahaahahahaha

I'm guessin' the "usual suspects" (Jackson/Sharpe) don't come to Cain's "defense" because they don't see anything they consider to be racist... but that's waaaay to simple, right? I'm sure theres some slimey conspiracy instead right?

Aging activist Tres English bemoans the reality that the decision to engage in civil disobedience may actuall result in adverse consequences: ...Just because "it's the law" doesn't mean a badly written law deserves our respect. Or the City Council that refuses to fix it. The well-organized, peaceful, political protests of Occupy Tucson are obviously not the ravings of the random, mentally disturbed person that the city's vagrancy laws are designed to protect us against. The City Council could choose to regulate the noise, trash and interactions with others in ways that allow peaceful political protests on our public property. They chose not to. Their decision that public spaces cannot be used for peaceful public protests is itself a political act... To some, ever act (or at least those they disagree with) is a political act. Pathetic.

Clinton relates to this article and this Cain development on the whole, because roughly when this settlement was happening 15 years ago, the liberal media was busy making defending Clinton as he lied and made excuses for his philandering. It demonstrates the media's blatant, partisan inconsistency and their allegiance to the National Socialist Party. I ' " M " ? T (MSM I , ' FOX N 30 . T ' I . N . R P , , " ' ." C ' ' , ' -- . M ' C , .

Can't have fireworks at my Fourth of July Party. Maybe I can invite Lindsay.

I bet it it would not provide or save as many jobs in a year as the stimulus did in 2010.

That reminds me. Someone came by in a truck and started to back up towards our driveway. Suddenly there was this blood curddling NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! I just about hit the floor laughing

If obama was truly interested if making new jobs he would put OUR money where it the biggest impact. Since the consumer accounts for 70% of the economy GIVE US OUR MONEY BACK! WE CAN SPEND IT BETTER THAN THE GOVERNMENT!

Curfews exist in many public parks because of problems of crime in the parks at night.

Doors close,doors open.How about some good seafood restaurants? Fish & Chips? Buffets? Red Lobster is doing great!

The court has yet to decide whether to even hear the case.

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The reason they want to eliminate or reduce the EPA is it is easier and cheaper to push around state agencies that those at the federal level. Chris J. and Silver tones, what happens when Rosemont's over pumping in this area dries up my private well that supplies my families drinking water? I s the mine going to cut me a check to drill a new well. As any local resident can tell you land with no access to water is almost worthless, so my personal wealth would be pretty much destroyed by your little mine venture. In truth you and I know that the mine company would tell me there is no way to prove their pumping destroyed my well and I am just suffering from "bad luck".

@ TTT, Generally, I strive to be able to cogently debate either side, whether I agree or not. IMHO, everyone should be able to argue the benefits of the opposition's point. It shows a certain understanding of the facts. That's my goal, fail as I might. But, in rebuttal of your point, I think "less regulation" as a mantra is too broad. I'm sure some industries are over regulated, and some are under regulated. For example, based on the problems of the past decade, it appears that the mining industry is a bit under-regulated. Maybe importers of Chinese toys as well. Gambling companies appear over regulated to me.

saw a couple of these yahoos wearing yellow pre-printed tees at starbuck's, wilmot/speedway this morning sporting ventis and iphones. tomorrow, i take photos. respectfully submitted, a 75%er

Moments over... next!

With friends like these "researchers", who needs enemies? These academic frauds are the epitome of the misuse of public funds at the university level, which is where the focus of animosity should be. If you believe that TUSD is wasting revenue on ethnic studies, check out what is going on at the state institutions of "higher" learning. The other villain in this story is the trusted news media. Like most "news" in our time, this is the boiler-plate crap that passes for depth of coverage. Let's all take a breath and make a few concessions. First, there is very little "empirical" evidence that suggests a direct correlation between student achievement and participation ethnic studies. It is much more reasonable to say that ethnic studies programs have had a positive effect on student self-awareness. Clearly those students who have thought more about social issues and their own places within society are going to make higher-level choices about their education. Sometimes this results in better outcomes for those kids, especially when compared to peers who spend very little time considering the impact of choices. Lets also admit that the TUSD program has been negatively affected by radical punditry. There most definitely have been staff members preaching hate and contempt for others within a racial and social context. This is not appropriate in any publicly-funded institution. However, these are the exceptions, not the rule. Finally, let's acknowledge that there is an awful lot of implicit racism in many of these posts. While people are not marching around calling for lynchings, there are some fairly negative implications here that are clearly based on xenophobic worldviews. As a teacher at a local charter school, I have to ask what is wrong with funding programs that help kids find a real connection with school? Most of you (I would imagine white, like myself) who are spouting off about responsibility and patriotism have probably forgotten about the issues that you were passionate about when you were in high school. For some of you it was war, for some it may have been the government (or all authority), but a natural part of being a young person is questioning the world around you. Because the kids in the ethnic studies classes by and large fall into the racial minority in this nation, there is a natural tendency to question the role of minorities. There are some painful truths about our nation's history, and these kids are just being exposed to it. Give them a few years and they will be complaining about how lazy and self-serving kids are when they are middle-aged. Like you, they will have lost the passion to use their voice in a meaningful way and will be reduced to complaining from the comfort of their own homes.

Sounds like they are imploding. It doesn't surprise me though to find that the "world owes me a living" people are stealing from each other.

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Grijalva's muscle flexing is misguided and unproductive. It comes across as petty and dismissive while doing little to address concerns he and his constituents have over the college's new admissions standards. I don't often agree with ADS editorials, but this one I do. His use of political power to scuttle the summit at PCC was nothing more than an attack on the PCC because they changed their admissions policy and he didn't want them to. The real issue is that if the students can't meet a 7th grade standard, how did they make it thru SUSD or TUSD (the two districts in his district). Why has Raul not tried to improve the districts so that the students can meet the 7th grade requirement! The answer is he would have to go after his daughter and political cronies that run the districts!

Finally learned why the Right calls Occupy Wall Street antisemetic: Of all people: Limbaugh, "One percent. Roughly the percentage of Jews in the population." In other words, CODE. Love it. Now waiting for origin of sanitizing . Anybody watching the FOXgop picking anything up?

has stopped to save on staff time and ease the burden on the clients. #1 How much time does it take to fingerprint someone? #2 Ease the burden??? If a person is in bad enough condition that they need government assistance just to eat, they're not going to mind a little ink on their fingers. #3 Like David M suggests, drug test!!! I have to pass one to get a job so I can earn money to buy my own food, they should have to pass one to get free food.

leaving the Socialists with a ra or-thin majorit of two seats in the 300-member legislature Wh would ou want to make common currenc with a countr ruled b socialists?

No, Joel, I mean to leave them trapped. My wicked is starting to show.

Lesson to be learned. If you write a ballot measure or law with enough wiggle room in it, the politicians and bueracrats will find a way to use it as they see fit.

Having closely watched the process for an entire YEAR, I'd say Fitz fairly characterized the David Fitzsimmons: A fair, Independent Redistricting Commission - Comments 11/6/11 David Fitzsimmons: A fair, Independent Redistricting Commission - Comme situation, right down to fine spelling of the word,"Fuhgeddaboudit."

Rio Nuevo Two words taxpayers have come to hate, and with good reason. 14 million for design? How many people would it take to amass such a design bill? How many millions were spent on studies and surveys, and 0 results? How long are taxpayers going to have to pay for a very bad idea that's going nowhere fast? Just looks like a very large money pit brought to Convention hotel developer sues Rio Nuevo, two board members - you by Tucson's finest good ole boys. Now, we wait to see what an FBI investigation brings to light, and the money keeps on rolling down the pit.

These people are innocent Americans! It was those illegal immigrants that actually did it! 99% percent of them steal identities and smuggle drugs! Waaah!

There was a suggestion (Stegeman, I believe) that the program be made an elective. That would certainly prove the desirability of the program, but perhaps that's what the crowd earning their living from this program is afraid of: choice.

Okay, so you make more then the poverty level, without children? And you can't pay for a roof over your head and medical? I find something wrong with that. I know when I was single, no kids, and I made more then the poverty level, I paid for medical, had a roof over my head, and lived pretty comfortable. Don't call me ignorant, when I've been in those shoes. I'm sorry that you didn't save when you had a job for the "unexpected". Not my problem. and it shouldn't be. If you are able to work, you should be paying your own healthcare.

"...In the second spreadsheet you will find selected statistics for our 2010 graduating class. There are three tabs in the spreadsheet: Total District, Mexican-American Studies students, and Non Mexican-American Studies students. If you compare just the total graduation rate, you will see that 83% of the 2010 cohort graduated in four years. This is true for students who did and did not take MAS classes. However, the students who did take MAS classes were predominately lower income Hispanic students. If you compare graduation rates across groups by income level, you will see participation in MAS classes appears to substantially boost the graduation rates for lower income students. For the very low income group, MAS students had a 79% graduation rate versus a 67% graduation rate for non MAS students. And, for the low income group, MAS students had an 83% graduation rate versus a 76% graduation rate for non MAS students. I would consider these differences to be quite significant and consistent with the claims made by the MAS staff." David Scott, TUSD Director of Accountability and Research, as quoted on Rich K's own website, with data. I'm not sure why Rich K continues to ignore the finding of improved academic achievement for low SES students enrolled in ethnic studies, but the data support it. This is precisely the student population subgroup that is most difficult to improve graduation and student performance. It is a much more important and meaningful statistic than overall graduation rates, since very few interventions make a difference within this sub-population of students, and those are precisely the ones otherwise left behind. You have to look at the data.

Are most of these people from around Tucson?

Actually, Richie is the "rightie" or the Black sheep in the family. Rich didn't log of and I sat down and started looking at the ADS and made a comment. After I noticed i logged off, logged back on under my name and reposted the comment. So don't look for a conspiracy where there isn't any. Rich would be pretty irritaed if you called him a leftie. Me, not so much.

I've been here less than a week but I can see this guy is one of those who are hired by the company to influence you. That's cheating - exactly what big companies do without any guilt. Vi i o )

...the destruction of a significant piece of treasured US property.... Give me a break Harry. This area is by no means comparable to the Grand Canyon or Glacier National Park. The scenery along scenic US highway 60 is also far more "scenic", and it runs through 2 mining districts and next to 3 active mine sites. This is not utopia although people like you would want the unfocused public to believe that it is.

News Tea-Partiers in 2010? Because they did not take the Senate, but we will see in 2012, we will see...

This death, should never ever have happened .....

Rosemont will do NOTHING to reduce our dependence on foreign goods and services. The ore will be mined by Canadians and sent to China. So, actually, the opposite is true. We'll be dependent on Rosemont for short term employment and to China for copper and electronics. You have to be kidding. Rosemont Copper will employee Arizonans to produce an American made product, which if it is consumed here or abroad will reduce our nation's trade deficit and that will benefit all Americans.

There must be no "safe" districts. All should be competitive, the results being based on the issues and how a candidate proposes to address those issues. No districts based on race, voter registration or any other artificial delineation.

If these local OWS do not march on our city hall, its all an Obama smoke screen. You can hear in Obama's speeches lately.

Recycled copper is exported from the US it actually brings in up to 85% of the going price of copper ore. We make money from it it greatly helps our trade balance. Rosemont copper royalties we get a drop in bucket compared to how much Augusta Resources (Rosemont) will make on our copper they sell to China. Augusta Resource investors are 80% foreign. Again we don't need this mine keep our natural resources in this country don't given them away.

Struggling to seize control of a disastrous oil spill on his watch, President Barack Obama is rolling out...wait for the punchline... tougher rules for oil rigs....to reassure the country of every effort to "put a stop to this thing." Yeah. That'll stop the leak. Maybe some new taxes. Or maybe he could use some unspent TARP or Stimulus funds and buy BP....

Sorry mnjpenny... Your vision for 'changing' America doesn't appeal to me. Nor does it appeal to the majority of Americans. Progressive ideology advocates for growing the size of the government, more government control of our lives, more taxes and the mistaken belief that government can 'fix' everything. Hmmmm? No thanks!

This is a shakey argument at best. Need to see the language of the ballot measure.

Dems took their votes away with the KKK, and the GOP gave it back (Civil Rights Act, 1964). The list goes on.

Officers have always had the authority, at their discretion, to check citizenship status, 1070 makes it mandatory (if there's reasonable suspicion) for them to check.

It aint legal till the feds say so.

It's all for the campaign. I won't trust anything these guys say. They will say just about anything to get into office.

I understand the problem. WHAT IS THE SOLUTION BEING PROPOSED BY THE 99%? Seriously, you guys are like politicians redirecting the question and name-calling because you don't have an answer. I'm done with the lame, self-righteous lectures. WHAT IS THE F'IN' PLAN?

@ George, You're probably right. Too bad. It looks like they need a little help with their tax preparation.

Send her over here. Sheriff Arpaio will find room for her!

Funny that this article didn't mention his comments in the speech disdaining the proliferation of information out there with all the Ipods, Xboxes and Gameboys. It proves the old saying that the democrats motto of "keep 'em dumb and keep 'em democrat." is still in effect today.

Gordo is a big fat 0! Have another burrito and shut-up. Your a disgrace to Tucson.

saying cliche is, well, cliche.

Give it up dean, your out of your class.

Send her over here. Sheriff Arpaio will find room for her!

Because of the envy, hatred for business, class warfare, and basic hatred for anyone who has been successful and made money. That's what your democrat party has turned into.

how about these fella's, from the Dallas/Ft Worth Occupy group.... "come back with a warrant" http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- snc7/294370_299555130071758_288584814502123_1281670_27459683_n.jpg

NO MORE CAREER POLITICIANS, VOTE HER OUT

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An utter waste of money at 50 million dollars a mile! I am ashamed our govts feel the need for such frivolous projects in times like this.

Thomas C. dutifully wrote: What was GW's laborious jobs?? At least Obama shows up. Apparently believing the it is the Government's role to create (or save) jobs...

I have yet to find a decent Mexican restaurant on the Eastside. Any suggestions?

Never been to the Place. Do they serve bull there?

Proof that rehabilitation "works" for these monsters. But the left will say it is the fault of guns, poverty, or white males that these crimes happen. LOL.

Did you mean cut every elected official's wage (rather than "all government employee[s]"] to a middle class wage? Because if not, most governmental employees ARE at middle class wages; and those that aren't, we would have to give them a pay raise to get them to middle class wages.

Does the STAR think this is newsworthy? Must be trying to fill up space. No one cares about her any longer....she is a "has been" who thought she was a big star, only to be shown she wasn't. Move on STAR....everyone else has. Do you have any idea of what news like this does for your readership or newspaper sales? Am sure your sales are not what they use to be. A lot of people can just go on the Internet and read the news, not spend the money to read garbage.

BTW, just returned from Scottadale. Spent a little time at Kierland and Kierland Square. If COT had contructed something like either of these projects (cost a lot less than $230 million)....INSTANT DOWNTOWN....with better design and amenities....AND by a PRIVATE DEVELOPER (minimun taxpayer $$). I just get so angry whenever I think about the crooks and losers that run Tucson.....

@ Langer, I will give you that there are a few places in the earnings ladder where the withholding chart can get a little goofy, but that's at like 6 very specific earnings points. That applies in so few situations as to be treated as not occurring. Realistically, the worker in question took home $X for each hour worked. An overtime hour would bring him $X+more in 99.9% of the cases, unless 100% of the "overtime" income was taxed at 100%. There is no scenario where any income is taxed at 100%. If I'm wrong, then the worker is better off saying to the employer, "Cool. I'll work, but not for extra money. Better for me to work for my current pay, maybe even a dime less per hour. I take home more that way." As far as I know, that happens with great rarity.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. No sympathy here and I hope she serves as much time as possible.

"what kind of empire does this sort of thing" One like the U.S. that had to take a draw in the Korean conflict/police action. An empire like Russia who didn't take as long to realize that they had made a huge mistake by invading Afghanistan. An empire like the U.S. that had their arse kicked in Viet Nam and Somalia. The reason that obummer is pulling the troops is because the Iraqi government would NOT give CARTE BLANC to Americans to do as they please in Iraq and could not be prosecuted for any crimes that they committed. Iraq was correct in telling the U.S. to &% $̂ off and git. This article is just more B.S. fear mongering and trying still to brainwash people into believing that the police action and overthrowing of a sovereign nation is and was acceptable. Getting out of one nations politics and many, many, many, more nations to leave to their own destiny.

If the Star were to read these comments, do they really think that PCC is a welcoming place to hold such a conference ?

There are serious reservoirations to doing so.

Yeah, and the Koch Brothers bankroll the Tea Party. Enough of the Glen Beck talking points.

What did you expect. This is a democrat party controlled city and county. The TPD is powerless under the democrats, the county sheriff is a senile old democrat party hack. Naturally these left wing losers, aided and abetted by the democrat party are not going to be held accountable. Welcome to the hope and change Obama promised, laws for the regular folks, no accountability for those on the left.

Because they are trying to generate some fire in the belly of those people - typically only Hispanics, that have a vested interest in everything Hispanic because they aren't getting anyone else to change their minds about accepting the claim that a pervasive Latin influence is a good thing for this Country - so they think that by advertising and holding these 'educational' meetings all over the Country, they can effect a change in the attitude of those that attend. Does anyone ever take notice of what the predominant makeup of the group(s) that are delivering those conferences is? Take a guess!

1. Arizona was founded on mining and all the good ore bodies are now gone. 2. What evidence is there that Rosemont will actually hire any locals? They're a Canadian firm. Probably import cheap Canadian labor. 3. Most important. This copper is what my grandchildren will need to get them out of the economic mess we've created for them. If we take it now then it won't be there when they need

Retarded

Freudian, don't you think?