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rich and corporations to political power through the ability to pay for the influence of politicians. Not quite correct. This statement confuses a symptom of the problem with the problem itself. So long as power is concentrated in the hands of government, those who are affected by governmental action will seek to influence what government does. Some will protest, march,and camp out in parks. Others will donate to candidates, lobby, and so forth. Here is the problem: the more power that the government accumulates, the more it regulates, and the more it controls, the more people will use whatever means they have to influence what government does. Just take a look at the enormous pressure the health care industry and other players are putting on the federal government to affect the Obamacare regulations. And to get waivers. So . . . , budding socialists who complain about cronyism, etc., you are actually making the problem worse when you advocate increased governmental regulation, higher taxes, and a bigger footprint for government in everyone's lives. Unless, of course you really believe that the reason socialism and communism have never worked in the long run is because the right people have not been in charge. Yeah, right.

I always flush after Pitts and wash my hands!

Notice that the authors don't even give lip service to the concept of obeying the law. The illegals bring this situation on themselves. Their example is of a man that was a criminal for twenty years -- and as a reward for that, they want to grant him citizenship.

why are there so many uninformed people out there, why are there those who refuse to be informed, why are so many satisfied with the information passed to them via a television and or radio network, are they just mentally lazy, no desire to learn-be informed, are they in reality afraid of the truth, they would rather deny it than refute it. (the problem with stupid people, they don't know they are) ... perfect example would be the Fisker Automotive manufacture... it's an old (debunked) argument, rather than doing a little research, they prefer to parrot some no-nothing loudmouth they heard/seen on the TV machine or listened to on the radio device... so let's set the record straight regarding Fisker....... http://www.examiner.com/green-transportation-in-national/is-fisker-automotive-latest-victim-of- right-wing-witch-hunt-to-undermine-obama

Senator Robert Bryd D-WV, who served right up until they finally admitted he was dead in 2010, was a high ranking KKK organizer and recruiter and unrepentant one at that. No secret either.

The following editorial appeared in the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday: So you think we're interested and regurgitate it to us in Tucson on Friday? Are you really that "hard up" for filler material over there?

Herman Cain wants an electric fence to kill people at the border. I think we need sanity to come into the debate.

That sleazy character should end up in pink pajamas in his own tent city. I see a Federal investigation coming because the state is not doing its job protecting the people's money. $100M is misappropriated funds should be worth a few years.

I just noticed the dates of these blogs....back to JULY 2010???? Are you kidding???? I thought this was another storyline about Lindsey. STAR....you need to get a life! Wea ie)

Mom!!!! can ou make me a PJ sandwich! with some milk! PLEASE!!!!!!!! ... when "mommie" is not around, free enterprise prevails

Another money pit project to remember during election of city council incumbents supporting this tram to nowhere. Ha ha, are you serious? Have you seen any recent polls? [Global Strategy Group conducted the survey from Oct. 10 to Oct. 12. It surveyed 400 voters and has a margin of error of 4.9 points.] Excerpt from the link: Shirley Scott holds a 25-point lead over Republican challenger Tyler Vogt (53 percent to 28 percent); Paul Cunningham leads Republican Jennifer Rawson by 29 points (54 percent to 25 percent) and Regina Romero leads Green Party candidate Beryl Baker by 32 points (49 percent to 17 percent). Moreover, voters surveyed had a more positive view of Democrats than Republicans by a margin of 15 points, with the majority of voters (53 percent) having a negative view of the GOP.

Pumpkin power! So much fun!

I have a feeling a developer or two has some projects that need loan guarantees.

They got the short crew on working the website - what's up with the year-old comments.

DAB 789 writes... 'The constitution gives you the right to break laws that violate the constitution....' ...quoted from the Rules for Radicals--yes?

In my opinion what people are doing out on Wall Street takes a lot of strength and courage. Not just to go out there, but continuing for such a long time. A lot of people may not agree with what they are doing and many people probably think they are not intelligent. No matter what any sort of boycott or occupation will be criticized. Sometimes taking it into their own hands is the only option they have. There is so many people making money from robbing others from the very little they have. Wall Street being one of the biggest.

OWS=Parasites on Parade.

Boxer losing! What a GLORIOUS thought! "Ma'am"!

Good news. Go after all these bad employers. No one should "get away with" hiring illegal immigrants. I VOTE for legal immigration ALWAYS, illegal immigration NEVER. ¡Arriba la ley estatal SB-1070!

Electing Jonathan Rothschild puts Jeff Rogers MUCH closer to running this city.

Let's hope this commission will act has the ballot initiative was intended and to make the process fair instead of tilted to either party. At least the morons in the state capital no longer have control of this process!

My concern is how much will the state scraff up in "administrative fees" and nickle and dime the program. The government does need to crack down on sleezy lenders, the housing boom hurt more than it helped. I don't know many people who bought a house in the past 5 years keep current on payments and is not underwater in the Tucson area.

harm narrative. Then, why did republicans run on creating jobs? But at any rate, your "government doesn't create jobs" argument is as vacuous as it is sementic. When the government lets out a $2 billion missile systems contract that has the contractor expanding its workforce to service the contract, has the government NOT created jobs? Or does government spending only create jobs when an investor gets to take a share of the money in the form of profits?

More whining from the greedy gimmemoreawhatyougot gang who believe the world owes them a living.

Great idea!

Please research TARP using the keywords "Class of Assets." That will answer your question.

We cannot just "vote" ourselves the STUFF of other people. But neither should we "give" money to bail out banks or corporations. Tea Party is about anger to stop the over spending and enlarging of the Government complex. Occupy is about anger at business having a lot and people not having much. (increased social responsibility of business) Solution: Reward employers who give to local charities (not govt) and employ people. Limit loans to those business and individuals who can afford it, without subsidy. Support financial responsibility by Govt, Business or individuals.

For years politicians from the party in power grinned like cleaver-wielding butchers as they divvied up the loin and chuck portions of Arizona and tossed the scraps to the "other party." So, Tucson would be one of the "scraps" in this paranoid fantasy. Oh, that evil GOP!

Gee patrick, why didn't you address the rest of my comments to you? Here, I will copy them into this post so that you can see what I said:

Lift the cerfew and let every hobo in Tucson sleep right next to your tent. Now that would be an occupation I would laugh my arse off at.

What I failed to articulate and what you failed to pick up on is simply by insulting those whose opinions you are trying to change all you are doing is "preaching to your own choir".

The economy is dying but never fear the corpseman is providing first aid. The administration is projecting a gain of 95,000 jobs a month this year. There are 3140 counties in the United States. That averages to 30 jobs per county per month. That treatment will leave the patient dead.

The morning will bring another beautiful day take care all!

Why does our government continue to charge every person who owns property the onerous property tax that supports our public schools? Private enterprise can and should do this function with far less cost and greater success. And, just because I am able to write coherent sentences through publicly funded education, doesn't mean that everyone should have that right today.

I will have you know dear Sir that Gwenydd (the double dd is pronounced "th") was named for a famous Welsh princess after whom the Principality of Gwenydd in Wales was also named. I bet you weren't named after a princess, maybe a serf but not a princess. In Saxon England people with names like Larry wore iron collars to denote their station in life.

Guests ate traditional July Fourth fare _ hot dogs, hamburgers and grilled chicken with potato salad and corn on the cob. Plenty of red, white and blue decorated the South Lawn, from colorful tablecloths to paper lanterns hanging from trees. Hmmm...no salad from Michele's sustenance garden...

Just one of the many reasons I left the Catholic Church.

I nominate Colt's comment for Most Intelligent Liberal Comment Of The Da .

And... that is why I drive a Hummmm, and everyone hates me. But, my family is tucked, and belted safely in the back seat where I know there is fighting chance they will be o.k....!

Illegal alien who was too lazy to gain citizenship legally rips apart families Let's assign the REAL blame where it is due, If this man had earlier worked out legal efforts to gain citizenship, instead of taking the easy illegal route, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Who cares that he is troubled! He needs to get the Federal house in order ... he is responsible for protecting our border and he has failed to do it! I say throw the bums out of office; and, that is primarily directed at Rep. Giffords, Rep. Grijalva and etc ... I encourage everyone to check out Brian Miller for Congress in Congressional District #8 http://www.brianmillerforcongress.com and Ruth McClung in Arizona's Congressional District #7 http://www.ruth4az.com We need citizen legislators in office and "REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER" to "THROW THE BUMS OUT"!

They are not being deported for the traffic offense. They are being deported for being here illegally. Their illegal status just happens to come to light when they get stopped. Deport them as they catch them. Why wouldn't you deport a person who is here illegally if you caught them? Another dumb, pro-illegal article from the Mexico Daily Star.

According to the Arizona Capital Times website (http://azcapitoltimes.com/), the Governor is not calling for a special session of the Legislators today. Also noted on the same website is an article indicating that the Legislators, who met yesterday, are now indicating that they may not issue recommendations to the IRC. Time to update this paper's article and save us from the Republican posters' rants.

Really! Who's supporting him?

Maybe if Mick D. got to keep more he might be able to hire them?

Excuse me but why the heck do you want to reward a lawbreaker by allowing him to stay under any circumstances at the expense of millions of citizens and legal residents who are already legally entitled to the jobs that have been stolen from them by people like Mr. Morales?

They are all free to write a check to the Treasury.

Did you know? Mexicans contribute to the Tucson-area economy by shopping here - about 5 percent of Pima County's sales-tax revenue comes from sales to shoppers from Mexico, according to a December 2008 study by University of Arizona researchers. Apparently the sob story that Mexicans are all desperately poor and have no other option than to come here to get jobs so they can support their families in Mexico is not based on actual facts! If all they want is to be helpful financial advisers to the wealty Mexicans as they claim, why not just open such offices in Mexico? After the history that BofA has shown it can't be trusted with its American customer's money, this type of targeted solicitation towards that money 'pot-of-gold' in Mexico is not surprising - regardless of it being cast as some smart financial move on BofA's part. It looks to be no coincidence that they are opening these offices just in the Border States where it is a fact that illegals carrying lots and lots of money come and go as they please across our porous Border - a potential for laundering cartel money does not seem to be out of the realm of possibility with this move!

Nelson...you were looking for work a while back. Hope you found something. Best wishes

Another headline on ADS TODAY: "Child Protective Services says more Arizona children died from abuse or neglect in 2010 than in the previous year, including five with open state cases." THIS is what you should be calling a special session about. THIS is the type of travesty happening in this state RIGHT NOW, TODAY, and this is only ONE of several. What in the *^&% do they think they are doing???? Co ote)

Out of curiosity I hope the Greeks reject the bailout and continue to spend their way into their socialist utopia. The resulting impoverished nation would serve as an object lesson to those nations on the same path including our own. Before there was OWS there were the Greek riots and demonstrations. Pretty much for the same reasons. Of course it would be easy for ideologues to ignore any conclusions drawn from the Greek experience.

Sounds to me that the RTA management is becoming as screwed up as the City Staff. I think the RTA citizen review board needs to look into this farce. To say biding the Sun Tran management contract during the build of the Trolley to nowhere, will cause building delays due to operational safety concerns is total B.S. Safety certification comes after the line is built and the OHSA people can review the facilities and the safety management plan. I agree something SMELLS big time.

Duhhhhhhh! since when would the legislator do what the voters want? Remember, voted to rule. That is their mantra. Voted in dictators to represent the loud voice of the minority. Yes, and I wonder about all the freedoms you claim to uphold, or does that only mean gov regulations and taxes, the rest is martial law.

You are of course referring to Progressives, right?

[quote=vincent m. (3942)]What moment? The moment when they made it clear they are sheep following the Progressive line? The moment when it became clear they have no idea what they are protesting? "What moment? The moment when they made it clear they are sheep following the Progressive line?" Atleast that's what Fox and Rush said, right?

What a joke! If it were any of us, we'd be thown into jail and remain there to the end of our sentence. Also, why is the producer of this Gotti movie still keeping her around? Aren't there a lot of other actresses much better qualified and not carrying a lot of baggage around available? They should ban her from making anymore movies/movies for TV. Back in the 50's, Hollywood had a "black list" and included a lot of good stars....their careers were just about ruined. I bet you any money that she is going to drag everyone down with her that is in that movie.

Why hasn't City Manager Double Dipper gotten to the bottom of the missing funds yet? We should recruit the next city manager at a 99 cents store. Probably more effective, ethical, and at one tenth the cost. If they only understand Chinese, the clowncil may not be able to corrupt them.

Why would liberals hate it? If it looked like someone being lynched, then yeah. But just a dead body? No big deal. I don't think it's PC so much as just whimpy crybabies. They come from both sides of the aisle.

Mickey, I gotta say these guys seem to have gotten their moral compass out of a Cracker Jack box.

...Mr. President, save the speechafyin and either "LEAD, FOLLOW, or GET OUT OF THE WAY...

Poor, sweet , naive James. I can agree with your sentiment, I have lived in the world long enough to know better. Wouldn't it be sweet if everyone just looked for one another?

Yep, last sentence in the article is: "Immigrant-rights groups said the government is unfairly targeting illegal immigrants who are not a threat to society, separating families and creating fear in immigrant communities."

Rome's burning, they decide playing with matches is the best course of action.. ok..... They can play with all the matches they want because no matter how much they try they will not start a fire. Just wait until the snow starts falling up north. These media events will wither.

The numbers dwindled Sunday, but McLane, a radio show host for KXCI 91.3-FM, said Occupy Tucson is expected to last about one year Easy enough to say when the overnight temps are still in the 60's.

mnjpenny p You are free to leave the US at any time in search of socialist nirvana. See ya! Nice.

How has it raised student acheivement when they graduate and can't even pass a test for 7th grade? How is it racist to want to teach AMERICAN based history in AMERICA? So I'm racist because I don't believe my child, who is AMERICAN and has NO history of spanish, should be taught AMERICAN history? This is AMERICA and if you don't like it, you're probably a racist!

So let me get this straight. They are saying quit fining us because we cannot afford it, but we are still going to do what we want even though we know we are breaking the law. You really can't make this sh!t up can you.

Bad Idea - We can call it Rio Nuevo II

Tucson has no money for street repair, median maintenance, graffiti abatement, or a host of other needs. We do have cash for a staffed office to tell businesses what can easily be found in five minutes using Google. Of course, Google doesn't hand out little certificates.

Texting is far worse than driving drunk. At least drunks have both eyes on the road and both hands on the wheel! I've seen cars being driven erratically, and 9 times out of 10 the person is texting.

I guess you prefer to have a CEO of an insurance company decide whats best for you... Hope you don't have any warts, and when you kids turn 18 they better get good jobs...

Oh, sure, three liberal professors... which normally twist students away from a conservative and Constitutional America... asking to be listened to? I think not. Ethnic studies OUT of Arizona.

la la la la hey whats so bad about taking out a dictator and then taking their countries most valuable resource thru oil field drilling contracts to american and british companies. oil oil oil =] surely the people in iraq see that we are not the bad guys. we are not killing them. we are not blowing ourselves up in the name of america. but we are leaving them like we have no compassion whatsoever. if u take over a country you do not leave it in civil war..

The Presidency should be held to the same standard and I don't believe there is any maybe to "It is time."

I'm pretty sure you could find 44,000 illegal alien (this is the correct term, and darn well know it and ought be ashamed to call yourselves journalists) who've committed traffic violations in the Tucson area for deportation--but I'm pretty sure between Villasenor and Dupnik, that, unfortunately isn't happening. We need to remove from office of high ranking law enforcement officers who refuse to enforce the law (Holder, too).

Republicans want to be just like the Taliban and Ahmadinejad. See how easy we can say both.

I once had a rather odd experience there. My gal & I ordered a cheese crisp as an appetizer. Shortly after taking the order, some older fellow who apparently works there comes over to our table, takes our napkin dispenser and places it upside down in the center of our table and then walks away. About five minutes later, the waiter comes around with one of those litte wire "cheese crisp" racks and places in the middle of our table after returning our napkin holder back to its' upward position and placing it back over to the side on our table. OK. Two minutes later, the older fellow returns to our table and looking somewhat irate, siezes the "cheese crisp" rack and then re-does his "thing" with our napkin holder and leaves. My gal looked at me and asked "¿What was that all about?" Beats me. I dunno. Territorial Rights I guess... Just one of life's strange mysteries I suppose I'll never understand...

George, It was burried in the RTA bond election, with no details. It was pushed by Steve Farley as a way to get cars off the road. The RTA bond election was passed by a narrow margin, I believe because there was little information on the costs of many projects. If you look around town, very little has been completed except expensive bike lanes (it is interesting that first ones completed were on the Tour De Tucson route). The RTA bond approval is similar to your complaints about many things passed by the state Legislature. The only time you bring up that something is legal is if it suits your position.

The same could be said of DUI laws. According to the arguments of most posters DUI should be legal, until you hit somebody. I think most people would disagree with that. Please pass this law. I've seen a number of close calls already including a texter just run right through a red light without a clue. It's easy to enforce, just pull up next to them and see the cell phone resting on the steering wheel with the fingers on the keypad.

America needs to expand on using and capturing our own resourses which would equal JOBS, JOBS, JOBS.... Jobs in this area will lower our high unemployment rate with good paying salaries and pay for our wanted social programs. Its a win-win situation. To all you liberals - shut up on your unreasonable regulations and environmental BS. America has the highest standards in this area.

The TITLE of this op-ed at best is mutually exclusive, and at worst, complete unrelated. 1. Student achievement does NOT depend on the existence of MAS. 2. Attacking MAS does not mean a student achievement focus is necessarily lacking. 3. Considering what MAS advocates for students within society, NOT attacking MAS could be viewed as attacking student achievement towards assimilation in society. These elitist university intelligencia might as well analogously say, "State should focus on eating more vegetables, not attack french fries". While potatoes are still considered a "vegetable" by some (who are deceived), eating more french fries hardly qualifies as the form of vegetables the state argues are necessary for attaining optimal health. Moreover, "eating more vegetables" hardly requires the consumption of ANY french fries at all. Like MAS, eating french fries should be an option...or shall we say an elective...as long as they are proven to no be harmful, and then only in moderation if found nutrutionally void.

The problem, as numerous experts warned at the time, was whether the program could be run, as the law required, in a way that made it financially solvent for at least 75 years. The difficulty with the CLASS Act was ensuring that premiums could be set low enough to attract widespread participation but high enough to pay the promised benefits. The risk was that the program would attract the sickest participants, who thought they might need its protections, and thereby drive premium prices ever higher in a spiral of dysfunction. could be implemented in a workable fashion. The administration was also happy to count premium revenue from the CLASS Act - it brings in money in the short term but pays it out later - as part of the projected "savings" of the health-care law. The CLASS Act accounted for $70 billion of the $143 billion in deficit reduction projected during the first 10 It is amazing to see a Washing Post editorial fess up that Obama lied about his helth care plan and that "$70 billion of the $143 billion in deficit reduction projected" (almost half) was never possible. Anyone want to bet that the other $73 Billion in deficit reduction will never materialize? Obama Care needs to be terminated as soon as possible (as soon as the 2012 COngress is installed).

After 25 years, I will also be leaving if Wells Fargo decides to charge me for using my own money.

Absolutely! This promises to be a long. drawn-out affair with the anti-mine factions using every trick in the book to put Rosemont Mine in the history books under "bad idea, poorly executed." Folks question if this is about politics. Of course it's about politics, raw and bare-knuckled as it gets. The people of Pima County and their elected representatives were expected to cave in and accept this ecological disaster as inevitable. We didn't and we won't. We will take advantage of every means, legal and political to stop Rosemont. Augusta/Rosemont has inundated the business community and the media with mindless propaganda relentlessly and continue to whine about our elected representatives. Now, evidently, they are ginning up the despicable old illegal immigration card to gain support. I may not always agree with our elected officials but they have been placed in office by the people of Pima County and I trust our own people more than a handful of mining speculators with no vested interest other than stealing US mineral deposits for the benefit of their Canadian, Mexican, Korean and Chinese bemeficiaries.

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no kiddin'

There is more to it than just the 9-9-9, they eliminate other taxes. I will admit that I have not had a chance to read it, but do realize there is more to it than this. It also looks like you are taking the talking points in

The towns of Clifton, Morenci, Hayden, and San Manuel were built 60 to +100 years ago specifically to support the mines there - NO OTHER REASON. Your analogy is obsolete. No town will be built to support the Rosemont, Resolution, Curis projects. This is the modern era. Folks don't need to live on top of their work place any longer. Heck, if you're in Tucson or Phoenix, there's a good chance you drive a minimum of 20 minutes in your comfortable car or on the bus to get to work and possibly 30-45 minutes to get across our own basin.

"Not conservatives but right wing authoritarians that wish to impose their views on you just like the British did 200+ years ago." Like the democrat Party forcing laws that the majority of American did not want? Speaker "We must pass this bill (Obama care) to know what's in it"? That's not authoritarian?

Hey a visit to Arizona by a member of the Kelly-Gaffords household. Cool. Hope Gaffords comes again to visit sometime.

New York City is not a state. Duh...

What does Clinton's actions have to do with this article?

When did they change the single bull sculpture in the parking lot by adding the bullfighter? Was it in the 80"s?

Great line!

Sounds like the laws passed by the legislature are starting to work! Obama's spend more money plans failed before and should not be tried again. all the big spender does is put the country deeper in debt.

$30 a month? That's nothing.

I think it will depend on what age of balsamic you use. If you use the really old stuff it would be real sweet. Younger stuff will balance better with the honey.

I think it is clear that to use the term "Reverend" sends the wrong message as to what God's leader in the local church is to be. So, I do not use the term "Reverend," nor do I use it in addressing ministers. Only God is to be revered. http://bible-truth.org/TitleReverend.html Sorry, ADS, you've been duped again.

IMHO, we all should "live up to our own rules". I believe that to do otherwise is the height of dishonesty.

The "children" should be taken away from the drug addicted father! Then, once the welfare checks, I mean "children" have been taken away, the "father" will not be qualified for food stamps anyway! Double win for the HONEST hard working TAX PAYER!